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Hey, so I’ve been wondering if anyone else has any input on this particular subject. What is easiest for me to do and to coach is for riders to jump off their edges, but what I’m wondering is if riders should be ollie-ing when they leave the lip to spin past a 540 or jumping off of both feet equally.

Here’s what I’m coming up with.

Ollie method:
Slightly more pop is created but I feel this could also be generated by dropping in a little faster.
Anyway, the rider is pushing off with the back foot when they leave the lip, using only half of their edge to create their spin. (unless you start the spin while ollie-ing but I feel the danger of pre-spinning is higher then)

Both-Feet Method:
Little more stability when taking off. The rider can use the entire edge to generate the spin. Potentially less pop than ollie method.

Also, thinking in terms of progression, would either way lend it’s self more to corking?

Please let me know what’s working for you!

I like your logic and agree- I generally spin off both feet.  Off a reasonabbly good jump, who needs pop

So Mark you post up a lot of interesting ideas and questions and ideas out here nice job. 

I would challenge you to determine if you ever truly simultaneously pop with both legs into a spin off of a jump.  I would argue that the for aft movement (used to create an ollie) becomes less defined but must always exist to support accurate trajectory (ie the arcing flight path that sets you up to land aligned to the angle of the upper half of the landing zone).  Do you coach riders to ride all the way through the lip with the tail being the last thing to touch the lip?  if so then you are teaching them to shift pressure and load the tail.  If they don’t then physics would dictate that they roll forward too far and slam going over the handle bars.

Some jumps require the rider to create more tail load to generate amplitude and solid trajectory and other jumps require less action from the rider and do the work for them a little.  Bottom line, riders are always creating dynamic balance shifting from nose to tail in order to assist and control trajectory.  More jump (two leg simultaneous ext) can create tremendous power in the spin and is very very appropriate and important for generating bigger spins but dont confuse that for the lack of a tail load.  More dramatic ollies or tail loading should be applied when needed to assist in the flats or at lower speeds or off of tangless jump ramps.  The amount of tail load should only support accurate alignment to address the angle of the landing zone accurately.  The bottom line however unless you are working the nose off of a lip you had better be working the tail or the jump will roll you forward.  Center pop is somewhat of a myth in jumping…  One of the few tricks that comes close to a two footed take off is the rodeo and is made especially clear in the frontside rodeo.  But that is another story…

Many riders like poppy take off transitions because they only have to focus on a hard jump to set a big spin.  Still even in that setting the board is worked from nose to tail as a part of the mechanics of a balanced jump.

Anyway thanks for getting us thinking

Chris